The following blog was written for Teachers Register – the online solution to supply teaching.
Punishment is a bit of a dirty word for many teachers. There often seems to be a presumption that children are naturally good and that any attempt to control or impede their impulses is somehow akin to child abuse.
I’ve seen enough cruelty and cynicism from children to inure me against the belief that being ‘good’ and ‘kind’ is in any way natural. Children are capable of being as mean-spirited, spiteful and selfish as any adult. William Golding’s depiction in Lord of Flies of children left to their own devices to indulge their natural inclinations is a compellingly plausible account of a pattern repeated throughout history. Human beings generally pursue the course of action that leads to the most reward for the least effort. If behaving well requires less effort and produces greater rewards, they’ll behave. But if it seems easier and more socially acceptable to muck about, then they probably will. Children’s poor behaviour is a choice, and telling them otherwise just undermines their ability to get on in life.
The Romantic meta-belief that children are all little angels corrupted by the adult world is a dangerous but powerful anchor. It prevents us from seeing children as they truly are, and makes us feel that if children are not well-behaved it must somehow be our fault. If instead we saw children honestly as the complex but immature beings they are — full of soaring beauty and commonplace ugliness. To excuse children’s poor behaviour is to deny them any sense of agency, and to suggest they are incapable of exercising self-control.
Some years ago I taught a boy, let’s call him Ben, who had been diagnosed with ADHD. He behaved well in my lessons but was hell on wheels for various other teachers. In particular, his relationship with his French teacher had descended to a running feud and his attitude towards her was appalling.
Instead of holding him responsible and punishing him, the school decided to confront Ben’s outrageous shenanigans by offering him a mentor. And because I got on with him, Ben nominated me as the teacher he most wanted as his guide. After one particularly horrific low I confronted him about his behaviour:
Ben: It’s not me, sir, it’s my ADHD.
Me: But how come you don’t have ADHD in my lessons?
Ben: That’s ’cos you’re alright, sir.
Ben was exercising a choice. He chose when and where to behave and pay attention. The school’s expectation of his behaviour might have been low, but in the end he was permanently excluded after committing one atrocity too many. But, if, the expectation had been for him to jolly well do as he was told, we might have done him a far kinder service. At the very least he’d have had an early lesson about consequences and had more time to settle in to a new school.
Some schools have banned any form of punishment altogether and ‘behaviourism’ is roundly dismissed and has become a touchstone for anyone wanting to argue that children’s natural impulses should be understood rather than punished.
BF Skinner, the psychologist most closely associated with behaviourism, developed the theory of operant conditioning. Basically — if behaviour is rewarded it is more likely to be repeated and if it is sanctioned it’s less likely to be repeated. The classic carrot and stick. Skinner described both reinforcements and punishments as being either positive or negative in character. A positive reinforcement is simply the giving a reward, whereas a negative reinforcement is the removal of a constraint — maybe a student is allowed to leave a lesson early or doesn’t have to do their homework. A positive punishment is the active application of a sanction — maybe a good telling off or a simple glare. A negative punishment is the removal of a privilege: maybe a phone is confiscated or a student is detained after a lesson.
Surprisingly, despite his reputation, Skinner was against the use of punishment in schools. He believed that, even where punishments are consistently applied, they only temporarily suppresses undesirable behaviour. If you remember the scene in Kes where the smokers are caned, you’ll understand his point.
But maybe punishment is a bit more complex than Skinner believed. Tversky and Kahneman’s research into loss aversion — the asymmetry between the effects of positive reinforcement and negative punishment — show that, on the whole, most people would far rather avoid a loss than make a gain. It seems likely that this effect might also apply to the sorts of merit systems often used in schools. The threat of negative sanctions may be more motivating than the offer of positive rewards.
Further, Balliet and Van Lange’s meta analysis found that punishment appears to effectively promote cooperation in societies with high levels of trust. Members of these societies adhere to norms that encourage both cooperation and the punishment of those who defy cooperative social norms. Punishment seems a less effective deterrent in societies where social norms may be less strongly shared and enforced. The implication is that if students perceive schools as benevolent and trust that teachers have their best interests at heart the proportionate use of sanctions to support cooperative social norms is likely to be effective.
Maybe if we tried to strip punishment of its more negative connotations we might feel less squeamish about using it.
This topic is explored in more detail in Nick Rose and my new book, What Every Teacher Needs to Know About Psychology.
When discussing Punishment it is important to remember that the word itself is emotive and often mis represented even within discussions of it. To overcome this it is important to state which form of punishment we are referring to; Positive Punishment = P+ = (add something not nice such as shout or poke me) and the behaviour will reduce; Negative Punishment = P- = (take away something nice – praise, food, gold stars) and the behaviour will reduce. By definition punishment always reduces behaviour and if it does not reduce behaviour then it is not punishment, it is just abuse.
In your article you have done this towards the start but then dropped into using the singular word of Punishments toward the end without referring to which form of punishment you feel may be of benefit.
Equally without reading the research articles in details we cannot know if they are referring to P+ or P-.
Most people are against the use of Positive Punishment = P+ = the application of something scary like hitting.
Taking away something nice, Negative Punishment = P-= is something we tend to do without realising it. We don’t give praise without realising it, so from the receivers perspective we have taken away praise often and thus often we are applying P- and so we should not be surprised when the behaviour of performing well in a session drops off.
So i would change your last line from “Maybe if we tried to strip punishment of its more negative connotations we might feel less squeamish about using it” to “Maybe if we tried to describe which form of punishment we are referring to we might feel less squeamish about using it.”
I work in animal behaviour and training and the same debates go on in that world too and often it is due to people mis representing what they mean by punishment (plus or minus)
Important discussion though, So positive reinforcement = R+ = to praise is how i will end this message. I would not want to take away your enthusiasm with P- = taking away expected praise as that would lessen your motivation to write more great articles potentially or maybe not??. 😉
Hi Graham, thanks for reading. A few points in response:
You say “Most people are against the use of Positive Punishment = P+ = the application of something scary like hitting.” This is a straw man: P+ could also be a stern look or a telling off. There’s no reason at all to equate P+ with corporal punishment.
Your rewording of my final line seems to betray a certain squeamishness 🙂 Stripping punishment of it’s negative connotations includes the need for clarity I would of thought?
And the point is that R+ doesn’t seem to work. In this case, I’ll carry on writing regardless of criticism or plaudits.
Hi David,
yes P+ can also be a stern look or a poke or tap or any other application of something that causes the behaviour to reduce. I did not want to list all the possible options but yes anything the receiver views as punishment is punishment if it reduces a behaviour.
But often it is the idea of hitting or shouting that people find offensive i think. So yes totally agree it is just the application of something the dog views as aversive and hence it reduces the behaviour.
Totally agree that R+ on its own does not always work and indeed anyone using R+ is always using P- often without realising it. A delay in praise is P- when that delay causes a reduction in behaviour.
Clarity is always a benefit.
The research link for the first paper does not work for me as coming up not found, but i think this is the one you mean?
http://www3.uah.es/econ/MicroDoct/Tversky_Kahneman_1991_Loss%20aversion.pdf
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Always remember, you might be wrong. It wasn’t a matter of belief for Skinner his own research demonstrated that children aren’t rats or pigeons in the way they respond to power.
Of course I might be wrong – I’m merely pointing out that in this respect, Skinner was too 🙂
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Thanks for this as it has made me think more about this issue and that I might be wrong. I’ve always been less keen on any behaviourist methods myself. Marble jars and the like drive me mad and I might even say they are indications of lazy teaching. However I have used sanctions on occasion, if the situation was appropriate. I suppose what your example may also show is that there is no substitute for developing positive working relationships with students. If you do this I suspect they will be far more to work with you and may even understand, and respond better, even if you feel sanctions are needed. The point about trust (established by any means) is also very important.
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